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UtadaNet Regular
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I know this is an old thread but wow, never knew that Exodus '04 was sampled from an Arabic song😮
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Posted on: 2017/6/6 21:12
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UtadaNet Newbie
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Sorry to bump a really old thread, but I just wanted to say that it is the case that Exodus '04 samples an Arabic song. It's actually from a remix, Moshkeltk 2003: http://youtu.be/31ich1GooGA The question is whether Timberland had the rights to do so, but knowing his track record, probably not. |
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Posted on: 2015/10/13 22:28
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UtadaNet Newbie
Joined: 2012/4/13
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it's not stolen .am an arabian girl and i know all about the an arabian singers there's no music like that in Exodus '04
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Posted on: 2012/4/14 11:52
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Insane Hikki Fan
Joined: 2009/6/8
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For the record the music and lyric for Exodus 04 were co-written by Utada and Timbaland (T. Moseley), as well as the final production.....
http://www.generasia.com/wiki/Exodus_'04 ?Utada has collaborated with Timbaland before ? Timbaland, Utada, & Kiley Dean - By Your Side.. Unity: Official Athens 2004 Olympic Games Album http://www.youtubec.com/watch?v=c5iCn2RCx6E http://www.utadanet.com/discography/index.php?id_art=5 For the purpose of a balanced view, which Shurikid covered in relation to Timbaland, defining and proving plagiarism in music is a legal minefield ? Critical Listening?Plagiarism and Imitation within the Music Industry outlines some of the difficulties.. http://sarcmusic.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/group-4-plagiarism-and-imitation-within-the-music-industry/ Edit: I love the term "Plunderphonics" it has a certain ring to it A more recent example ??.Born This Way: It's the same old song... so what?.. As Madonna's brother accuses Lady Gaga of stealing her latest hit, Fiona Sturges says pop plagiarism claims miss the point?? this is a interesting viewpoint from Sturges.. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/born-this-way-its-the-same-old-song-so-what-2224675.html |
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Posted on: 2011/6/4 7:45
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If I remember correctly, Timbaland created the sample, and helped produce both tracks.
There was no stealing if it's two singers buying a sound from the same guy |
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Posted on: 2011/6/3 21:31
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Hikki Fanatic
Joined: 2005/12/12
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Um, Hip-Hop was predicated on sampling. It's part of the culture. But the good producers will sample a song and make it sound really good. This is not news.
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Posted on: 2011/6/3 14:36
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Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2007/2/10
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The sample isn't listed in the album credits or production notes for the song, and given Timbaland's history, I wouldn't be surprised if he did steal it.
Now, whether Utada would be implicated in the act via association is up to debate. I'd like to think not; it was Timbaland that did production on that song and it's not unlikely that, presuming Hikki was even aware he had looped that sample in before it was finalized, she likely thought he had full rights to use it. Keep in mind that when Utada sampled Ryuichi Sakamoto's piano melody for "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence - FYI" she gave full credit (the song itself is actually listed as being composed by Sakamoto in the production notes). Similarly, she sampled "Paint It Black" by The Rolling Stones for "Amai Wana (Paint It Black) on First Love, for which they were likewise credited. HER history shows that she's not the type to disregard copyright; Timbaland is another story. That being said, for everyone singling out Timbaland as if he's some peculiar example of this in pop music, it's really not just him. I would say most if not all major pop stars in America have engaged in "plagiarism" of some form or another (and there's long been evidence floating around to support that speculation, feel free to seek it out)-that's what happens when you have a music industry in which the actual songwriting process isn't in the hands of individual artists, rather a comparatively small community of solicited producers and mixers that are constantly sharing with and taking from one another in order to facilitate a fairly uniform sound that fits the trend of whatever musical era they're paid to cater to. Timbaland just likes to overstep his bounds and steal from artists who actually care about and, occasionally, write their own songs, causing them to take action against him where no faceless behind-the-scenes music developer would. They're paid enough to stay quiet and rehash the same material every time a new potential starlet gets auctioned off to the music market; which really wouldn't exist as such if it weren't for this cannibalistic protocol (to be fair, this is true for many major music industries, including Japan; which is why Utada is such a treasure and a rarity, wherever she's active). So, yes, Timbaland probably stole the sample. Welcome to pop culture. :/ |
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Posted on: 2011/6/1 18:13
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UtadaNet Newbie
Joined: 2011/6/1
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Yeah I though so...
I kinda knew it because when I played the song I felt like I've heard it before Stealing others work is bad really bad lol timberland is a thief okay but she sang it and I believe the original singer/composer own her an apology. |
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Posted on: 2011/6/1 14:59
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Insane Hikki Fan
Joined: 2009/6/8
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There is a whole thread at Music Forum devoted
to ?Similarities in songs?... (Timbaland/Utada is third post down on page 1) ?. http://memebee.com/vancouver/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=18340 Perhaps the chorus in ?Taking my money back? sums Timabland?s contribution well?. |
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Posted on: 2011/6/1 12:42
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Hikki Fanatic
Joined: 2009/7/29
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Timbaland has been known for many years of stealing and sampling tracks from other artists.
The guy is complete hack! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpisW9gwbqo http://hubpages.com/hub/Timbaland-Is-A-Thief The music in this song was completely stolen from an Arabic song. I'm sure that Utada did not know about that at the time. |
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Posted on: 2011/6/1 11:20
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