1. This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site

2. I'm not thinking on one perspective only.
First : Shuri/Eli you got wrong point of view when you said, when your sister talking a compliment about Joe Jonas (i don't know about him...The Jonas Brother Band perhaps, correct me if i'm wrong) and lets say we change Utada to your sister, first you guys said she got nice breast and you think its still a compliment and next they talking about nipple.

Second : Lets say this girl is your friends and think about what i said earlier

Third : Think as you were Teruzane Utada , does anyone of you ever think that thread also insult him since HIkaru were his daughter.

Fourth : Think you were on her side, she not consider that also a sexual harassment.

Sexual harassment not just physically , mentally but you can do that by words.

Another point of view. Let say you and your friends in a cafe and saw a sexy girl in your perspective. And you guys talking about part of her body and etc ,what id this girl know and her friends will she just quiet and not consider that as sexual harassment. And trying to take different view she was your friends. Will yo stand still and do nothing.

And this time we were just Utada fans no more no less , have any one of you ever spoke in person to Utada and be her friends.

Shurikid wrote:

First of all, NO. I can tell when a guy has abs even if he's wearing a shirt. It's obvious. Second of all, you're right, a girl can't hide her breasts- NOR should she feel compelled to under any circumstances! A woman's breasts are natural. Clothing is unnatural. This is what I'm trying to get at. Western modesty is such BS; it's all about feeling ashamed of the physical human body and trying to avoid any sort of discussion about it whatsoever except when absolutely necessary. There is NO DIFFERENCE between a man's chest and a woman's chest except for socially conditioned perceptions resulting from a twisted development of the human consciousness. Also, you claim the responsibility is not on the woman, but I repeat that, in the end, no one else dresses her. If Utada didn't want to wear something, it's not like she would have to; it's ultimately her choice. Moreover, it's not like it can be MY FAULT for looking at her breasts. I'm not going to pretend a completely obvious part of the female body doesn't exist just to serve some weird concept of morality that someone else wants to impose upon me. Women have breasts. I notice them. That isn't my fault. Blame nature. See if it cares.

People weren't only posing pictures. They were commenting on her breasts and how they found them to be nice/sexually appealing/whatever. I.E., discussion. So your "other note" fails.

Shuri/Eli

ItsDaveyJ wrote:

You aren't listening to the point I was making about abs. Abs CAN be hidden, and to be seen they take off their shirt. I usually can tell if a person has abs, not from looking at their stomach, but the rest of their body. If that is in shape, usually the abs are too. Since when did this discussion turn into criticizing western culture? I would beg to differ there too, if you want a culture who tries to hide the body, look at the middle east. Westerners celebrate the body, a lot more than other cultures. Utada said so herself, she can walk down a street in NYC in a mini skirt, but if she did that in Japan she would be thought as kind of trampy. Same with the bathing suit in Easy Breezy.

And your arguement for nobody else dressing Utada, as I pointed out, is completely invalid. First, celebrities don't always get a say in what they wear, they usually will throw on what the stylist hands them, even if they don't like it. Not to mention if they have deals with certain fashion designers or are doing a commercial with a director who has a specific image in mind of what sort of outfit he wants the celebrity to wear. This excuse of "a woman should be more mindful of what she wears, its not our fault that we look at --- because she decided to wear something that shows ---" is getting old. Face it, it is an excuse. While I do agree that a certain amount of responsibility comes with the girl and what she chooses to put on, but someone should not have to make an effort to not wear anything that reveals any part of her body because she doesn't want a guy staring at it. To me, although I admit the scenario is totally different, but I find the mindset similar, when people say when a guy hits a girl, "well she must have done something to cause him to hit her." No. There isn't an excuse! Quit acting like the men aren't to blame and it is the women provoking the men to do a certain action. Take responsibility for yourself. And realize that the situation is different between men and women in this area. Women have had a large history of being sexually harassed. So you can't say one thing about one sex and say the same about the other and expect it to be okay. And women always get the negative aspect of this, ie: a man sleeps around a lot, he's the man. A woman sleeps around a lot, she is a (censored). etc. etc.

Gah sorry this is so long and crappily put together, I'm typing this right before I go to bed. Which probably isn't the smartest thing but oh well

SwallowTail wrote:
Well every body have a different perspective and it will keep crossing each other. Maybe some blood will end it

Hey maybe you were right Amaterasu mayb i should point it earlier

This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site

oh man to explanation huh, just with one sentence can make you understand

PS : not in the right place moved to General Discussion

Shurikid wrote:
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ItsDaveyJ wrote:

You aren't listening to the point I was making about abs. Abs CAN be hidden, and to be seen they take off their shirt. I usually can tell if a person has abs, not from looking at their stomach, but the rest of their body. If that is in shape, usually the abs are too. Since when did this discussion turn into criticizing western culture? I would beg to differ there too, if you want a culture who tries to hide the body, look at the middle east. Westerners celebrate the body, a lot more than other cultures. Utada said so herself, she can walk down a street in NYC in a mini skirt, but if she did that in Japan she would be thought as kind of trampy. Same with the bathing suit in Easy Breezy.

And your arguement for nobody else dressing Utada, as I pointed out, is completely invalid. First, celebrities don't always get a say in what they wear, they usually will throw on what the stylist hands them, even if they don't like it. Not to mention if they have deals with certain fashion designers or are doing a commercial with a director who has a specific image in mind of what sort of outfit he wants the celebrity to wear. This excuse of "a woman should be more mindful of what she wears, its not our fault that we look at --- because she decided to wear something that shows ---" is getting old. Face it, it is an excuse. While I do agree that a certain amount of responsibility comes with the girl and what she chooses to put on, but someone should not have to make an effort to not wear anything that reveals any part of her body because she doesn't want a guy staring at it. To me, although I admit the scenario is totally different, but I find the mindset similar, when people say when a guy hits a girl, "well she must have done something to cause him to hit her." No. There isn't an excuse! Quit acting like the men aren't to blame and it is the women provoking the men to do a certain action. Take responsibility for yourself. And realize that the situation is different between men and women in this area. Women have had a large history of being sexually harassed. So you can't say one thing about one sex and say the same about the other and expect it to be okay. And women always get the negative aspect of this, ie: a man sleeps around a lot, he's the man. A woman sleeps around a lot, she is a (censored). etc. etc.

Gah sorry this is so long and crappily put together, I'm typing this right before I go to bed. Which probably isn't the smartest thing but oh well

So am I to assume you approve of the Middle Eastern styled sexual repression? Because you are essentially advocating the same concept: men should not look at a woman's flesh unless they are intimate or something of the sort. The only difference is that in some parts of the Middle East they have actually introduced the only POSSIBLE manner in which to enforce this kind of morality: by keeping women entirely covered up. Otherwise men WILL look at women. They know this because it is a fact of nature. Historically, you can see the same trends in Western culture- women used to be forced to cover up their entire bodies so as to reveal a minimal amount of flesh. It has now been reduced to more of a mentality, but it is no less mistaken. Both Western and Middle Eastern cultures defy nature: Western culture provides a deranged mindset, Middle Eastern culture provides a manner in which to enforce that same mindset. But you're right, this thread isn't about bashing Western culture. I disagree with any perception of the world that calls for the prohibition of harmless natural tendencies.

How far back on the "it's not her fault" scale do we have to go? You're the one making excuses. Celebrities choose their lifestyle. They should know what is in store for them. If they don't want to wear revealing clothes, they shouldn't become involved in an industry in which that is the norm: OR they should actively speak out against it and try to reform said industry from within. However, Utada does not object to the clothes she wears, and I would go so far as to say that she does not think twice about them. For goodness' sake, she writes songs explicitly about being flirtatious and cheating with men who are married! I highly doubt she would be disturbed or threatened by a thread discussing her breasts. What hypocrisy it is to try and defend Utada's innocence and then go and blast "Dirty Desire" on your mp3 player! She isn't an angel, she isn't concerned with people discussing her body, because if she was she wouldn't be writing songs about using her body the way she does. What, are you going to claim that stylists write her songs for her now, too?

And you're absolutely right: a girl should not be concerned with what she wears because she should not be concerned with having people look at her body! It's there to look at! Nobody's hurting her by looking at her boobs. It's not my fault if she's ashamed of them to the extent that she would feel "sexually harassed". Right, because my eyes are going to undress her and take her against her will. This is such blatant reverse sexism. There is no way a man could ever realistically file sexual harassment charges against a woman for staring at his crotch; the court would throw it out as immaterial. After all, how could a woman EVER harass man? It's unthinkable! Women are strong and independent and completely equal to men in every way- that is, UNTIL it comes time for them to own up to their responsibilities. Then they play the "oh we've been oppressed for so long and we can't hurt anybody we're weak and vulnerable" card- and nobody sees the contradiction here? Let me tell you, I know what the heck oppression is. I'm a bisexual Native American living in America. I like to wear feminine clothing and make-up. I have seen my share of discrimination. But none of that would matter to ANYONE if I were to go out and slap a woman because, purely by virtue of the fact that I was born as a male, that would be considered harassment. If a female, however, was to commit the same act of aggression against me, I would be expected to suck it up and take it like a man. So don't pull the "it's not the same thing!" routine with me: a slap is a slap. Women are not excusable merely because they have breasts and a vagina. Get over it.

(I'm also posting this just before bed. I know exactly what you mean. xD)

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SwallowTail wrote:
Well every body have a different perspective and it will keep crossing each other. Maybe some blood will end it

Hey maybe you were right Amaterasu mayb i should point it earlier

This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site

oh man to explanation huh, just with one sentence can make you understand

PS : not in the right place moved to General Discussion

Please provide the rule I asked for before. I don't care how many members there are on this site or what the public thinks of it: you aren't a PR spokesperson, you're a moderator. If people won't join the site because of a thread about Utada's boobs than they're probably too prude to be bothered with anyway. Either way, it's unimportant- the expectation is that you will regulate the site fairly and without bias, Swallowtail, and you need to show us that's what you did. I would like the rule you based your decision upon. Please and thank you.

Shuri/Eli

yvliew wrote:
we can only realized that SwallowTail is one little obsessed hall monitor boy/girl which nobody really cares.

"This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site"

so what? don't u think minor these days get exposed to boobs/sexy outfit/cleavage ?? Which country are you from????? the internet is a dangerous place, minor goes to the internet should be supervised by their parents. It's self responsibilities. Unlock the thread. You have no valid point to lock it up until now.

Josh_Shing wrote:
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yvliew wrote:
we can only realized that SwallowTail is one little obsessed hall monitor boy/girl which nobody really cares.

"This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site"

so what? don't u think minor these days get exposed to boobs/sexy outfit/cleavage ?? Which country are you from????? the internet is a dangerous place, minor goes to the internet should be supervised by their parents. It's self responsibilities. Unlock the thread. You have no valid point to lock it up until now.

FAIL!! He's from indonesia! Oh man i'm sorry i just couldn't resist..