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Addicted to Hikki
 
Joined: 2009/3/4
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Personally, I am a guy and I am glad that it was locked. I too found it to be rather sexist. It is one thing to say that she has nice breasts and another thing to post a bunch of pictures zooming in on that one aspect of her. That is the difference between a compliment on a feature, and stepping over the line. Utada has never presented herself in an outwardly sexual way, and so I don't think she wants herself to be viewed in that manner. She has always been about her music, and has tried to distance herself from the Hollywood kind of sexuality.
To Shurikid too, I believe you said something about when a girl (or boy) puts on something provocative they know the reaction it will get. There are several things wrong with that, first, Utada is a pop icon, and thus she has to stay up on fashion to a degree, and when fashion dictates that low cut is in, you kind of have to go low cut. Second, I'm sure she doesn't always get to pick out her clothes, she must have a stylist. I wouldn't be surprised if she saw her outfits only 5 minutes before putting them on. And there is a total difference to wearing a mini skirt and wearing something that says Juicy on the butt. The words explicitly state what the wearer wants the viewer to think, the mini skirt alone could mean something entirely different to the wearer than what the viewer thinks. There is personal responsibility, but Utada has always been tasteful, so I don't think we can tell her to be mindful of what she wears because she has done nothing to deserve that. Now if you are talking about Kim Kardashian or someone like that... that is a different story. Another thing, you said somewhere that guys would just feel complimented if someone complimented them on their abs. There is a key difference there, a guy must either lift up his shirt or take it off for them to be seen. He CHOOSES for them to be seen, a girl and her breasts, no matter what she wears, cannot really hide her double d breasts very well. It is time that we realize that the responsibility is not on the woman for what she wears (unless it is really trashy and shows the person is really trying) and realize that the guys (or girls or w/e) are just being pervs. And a final note, posting pictures showing how "hot" her breasts are is not "discussing" a part of her body. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 10:55
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I checked the original thread out and - although I am lesbian and not ashamed to admit that - it wasn't really my thing. I like Hikki's music and think she's attractive, to be sure. But to focus just on ONE part of her body and objectifying her does kinda bother me.
However, I know that guys (and lesbians) like looking at boobs. It's a fact of life for anyone who is attracted to women. It's like those straight women that like to see guys with 6-pack abs. So while the objectification bothers me, objectification just bothers me in general and not solely with Hikki in specific. She's a talented singer and producer who happens to be a woman. *shrugs* That's pretty much all I have to say about it. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 10:48
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Insane Hikki Fan
 
Joined: 2008/7/19
A/S/L M/ Singapore
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Actually I do understand why SwallowTail locked the thread... It is not that he just personally dislikes it... I also agree that everyone appreciates UH in their own way, but discussing about other people's boobs... I think this should be discussed privately... and not done openly... Meanwhile the public can have access to the thread... and what if they just read the title? I think it will reflect badly on the community...
I do have such desires (not as if I am some pure being)... and I don't think discussing about the opposite gender is bad... but then again, I think this type of things should not be discussed publicly... and we do have underage users whether public and utadanet users, it is kind of a bad influence for young Utada fans... |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 9:40
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Hikki Fanatic
 
Joined: 2005/12/12
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I love Hikki for every reason...mind, body, and soul. There's nothing wrong with that. It shouldn't have been an issue and I'm sorry it had to be locked. Hopefully it will be resolved in the future.
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 8:45
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Hikki Obsessed
 
Joined: 2008/4/29
A/S/L 26/M/Canada
Posts: 468
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Look it had nothing to do with Swallowtail, I formally complained, and the reason I complained, I’m flat chested, pure and simple, and yes it hurts when Guys put such a high emphasis on that part if a girls anatomy, boyfriends have commented in the past, and when I saw the BOOB thread I flipped, that it no more….now leave SwallowTail alone…. Hm. I can understand why you did so as you did. It struck a personal chord with your insecurities. I (and the rest of us) have them, too. Part of being a person is learning to deal with, to overcome, and ideally, to make up for our deficits. The best thing to have done was just to stay well away from a thread that is unpleasant to you. As I would similarly do for "Gosh, this X guy is so hot!" thread. I'm impressed that you'd come to Swallowtail's defense. Pretty big of you. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 8:17
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Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2008/4/29
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I was asleep when most of this drama occured. For my part, I simply have to agree with Shurikid. His arguements have solid footing, and I have, too, been bothered by the heavy policing of these forums.
There is that old saying, "Boys will be boys." It's simply nature. It's a bunch of young men ogling UH. I don't see anything offensive in that thread from the participants and it seems as though my deigned efforts to allay the hostilities were for naught. Personal responsibility should definitely be the first and foremost censor here. I certainly don't see anything offensive about the thread. Yes, the title was a bit juvenille, but c'mon, we were all young. (no matter how long was that ago.. oh, my back!) Threads like that give life to the forums. Perhaps I am far to liberal with the freedoms of personal expression and I really enjoy just being silly. Shurikid has a point that I too share a vantage with. So long as it doesn't hurt anyone, it is fine. Breasts are a part of a woman's body, as is her set of eyes, her nose and her hair. The thread about her hair was met with no animosity. Can a similar thread discussing the types of cleavage that she shows and the preference of it be met with a similar mindset? Perhaps not - as our society seems to have ingrained upon us that the mammaries are taboo. Even still - with this in mind, the thread in question was not unreasonable. Nothing overly lewd was said, there were no posts of even a nearly explicit and offensive nature. Offense. Ultimately, that is the question here, isn't it? One can choose to be offended, or choose to set it aside. I don't condone turning the other cheek when being spat upon out of veheminence, but there's a level of maturity, self-responsibility and self-control that I hope that we can all emulate and practice. If the girls wanted to make a thread about say, Orlando Bloom, Ken Hirai or one of the Arashi boys and how absolutely hot their arms and boyish good looks, toned abs and butt were (etc etc) I would have absolutely no objection with that. Sexuality is a part of human nature, so long as it does not violate the TOS, I have to second the notion that the thread closure was premature and rather un-called for. The thread is not a prime example of male behaviour, but it certainly is a typical one. Kudos Shurikid, really. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 8:09
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Hikki Fanatic
Joined: 2005/4/24
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Poll added.. go vote~
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 4:39
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Insane Hikki Fan
Joined: 2009/6/8
A/S/L 18/F/London
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Bobo this is a community devoted to Utada, you are my friend but you have no right to lecture anyone on morals, and do you know what hurts me the most is that you have known me for all my childhood life, and you still think I can?t look after myself??.. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 1:00
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Insane Hikki Fan
Joined: 2008/3/1
A/S/L Potato. Genderless. Underground
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Q would shut it back down if it came down to it...
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 0:41
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Insane Hikki Fan
Joined: 2009/6/8
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Look it had nothing to do with Swallowtail, I formally complained, and the reason I complained, I?m flat chested, pure and simple, and yes it hurts when Guys put such a high emphasis on that part if a girls anatomy, boyfriends have commented in the past, and when I saw the BOOB thread I flipped, that it no more?.now leave SwallowTail alone?.
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 0:33
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