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  •  yvliew
      yvliew
Debate on moderator action
Hikki Fanatic
Joined: 2005/4/24
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hikki is not an object as what YOU IMAGINE we think of her. We respect her and her talent. I don't know why you'd think that perhaps you really DID think that. I'm so sorry for you and and hikki having a fan like u.

You just locked one of the more popular thread in this category with 60+ post and replies. Don't be a killjoy boy..
Posted on: 2009/8/24 21:03
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  •  JimJam
      JimJam
Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
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Joined: 2009/7/28
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Don't argue with a moderator, it only ends badly, and you know it.

SwallowTail locked the thread, because not only could people find it offensive and degrading, but people had bgun to argue in the thread as well. It's only fair for them to lock it before it got out of control.
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Posted on: 2009/8/24 21:15
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  •  yvliew
      yvliew
Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
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Joined: 2005/4/24
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moderator should warn the ppl who are making troubles in the thread. Not locking it. Whether it is degrading or not it's totaly up to a person. It was written, if offended just stay out. Nobody forced you to view it.

We are free to argue anything don't we?
Posted on: 2009/8/24 21:24
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  •  bobo444
      bobo444
Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
UtadaNet Newbie
Joined: 2009/6/8
A/S/L 30/M/London
Posts: 6
Quote:

yvliew wrote:
hikki is not an object as what YOU IMAGINE we think of her. We respect her and her talent. I don't know why you'd think that perhaps you really DID think that. I'm so sorry for you and and hikki having a fan like u.

You just locked one of the more popular thread in this category with 60+ post and replies. Don't be a killjoy boy..


Your attitude towards women really does annoy me.

you have no respect,no honour, you are a prevert, and Utada net need a fan like you like a hole in the head, I cannot believe,(I was going to call you a man but you are a pitful excuse for one),that obnoxious throwbacks like you still exist you as a bigoted fool.
Posted on: 2009/8/24 21:33
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Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2007/4/20
A/S/L Not something you need to know
Posts: 205
Well imagine this. Iono if u azn ornot but imagine if they made a thread that was focused on bein racists towards asians nd their "ching chong" langage. Yea I don't hve to visit tat thread but its still somethin tat the mods don't want on their forums cuz it affects the image of the forum and typeof users.

But I think it was kinda ridicylous to lok up tat thread. Its not like there was porn. Instead. Arguing try reasoing.

I don't think it was degrading. Maybe a lil but all the girls makin a huge fuss over it I'm sure yall wore sonethin where yo cleavage was showing. Why wuld u wear sonethin like tat? I mean lookin at cleavage is natural in all guys. Showin cleavage doesn't neccesarily make a girl a (censored).

So I don't think the thread was degradin bc hikki doesn't try to portray herself as a (censored). They're just picture with a lil extra somethin nice.
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Posted on: 2009/8/24 21:45
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Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2007/2/10
A/S/L 18/GQ?/CA
Posts: 431
I have to agree with yvliew on this one. I didn't even frequent that thread (only visited it once or twice), but from what I saw there was nothing explicitly objectionable there. Yvliew even warned viewers that there was potentially offensive subject matter at hand and discouraged them from engaging if they were likely to find the content disagreeable. No one was forced to be a part of it. In this case, I think Swallowtail substituted his own moral statutes for an actual justified reason to close the thread. It was the wrong choice and it should be mended.

Quote:

JimJam wrote:
Don't argue with a moderator, it only ends badly, and you know it.

SwallowTail locked the thread, because not only could people find it offensive and degrading, but people had bgun to argue in the thread as well. It's only fair for them to lock it before it got out of control.

First of all, moderators make mistakes. Swallowtail made one. Yvliew is pointing it out. Moderators do not own the forums, they exist to regulate the site. However, given that Yvliew's thread did not break any rules, Swallowtail had no right to close it- especially without even so much as a warning. To contest this decision on Swallowtail's part is entirely understandable. It's not like Swallowtail is a horrible person: he just made a mistake and it's only fair to call him on it.

Second of all, Swallowtail did NOT close the thread because people were arguing. I will provide his reasoning in his own words:
"...you guys talk make Utada like an object, no more less than bone and flesh , and disrespecting Utada. Not respect her as a talented singer. Thus i have to lock this thread."
Essentially, Swallowtail felt that Yvliew and the other contributors to that thread were disrespecting Utada. That's his opinion. It is not valid basis for closing the thread. End of story.

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bobo444 wrote:
Your attitude towards women really does annoy me.

you have no respect,no honour, you are a prevert, and Utada net need a fan like you like a hole in the head, I cannot believe,(I was going to call you a man but you are a pitful excuse for one),that obnoxious throwbacks like you still exist you as a bigoted fool.

All your opinion. You don't like the thread, you don't post in the thread. It's that simple.
Also, I disagree with your interpretation of a "man". What makes a person a man? Honor, respect, and dignity? Does that mean a woman can't have honor, respect, and dignity- for if she did, that would make her a man, no? Your logic is self-defeating. Find somewhere else to troll.

Shuri/Eli
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Posted on: 2009/8/24 21:47
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  •  paisith
      paisith
Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
Addicted to Hikki
Joined: 2008/12/29
A/S/L 32/Male/Bangkok Thailand
Posts: 73
I think Swallowtail do a right thing.Please don't upset with him.May be it's just difference in a culture,something shouldn't talk too much in publicity like that thread...
Posted on: 2009/8/24 22:10
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  •  bobo444
      bobo444
Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
UtadaNet Newbie
Joined: 2009/6/8
A/S/L 30/M/London
Posts: 6
Quote:

Shurikid wrote:
I have to agree with yvliew on this one. I didn't even frequent that thread (only visited it once or twice), but from what I saw there was nothing explicitly objectionable there. Yvliew even warned viewers that there was potentially offensive subject matter at hand and discouraged them from engaging if they were likely to find the content disagreeable. No one was forced to be a part of it. In this case, I think Swallowtail substituted his own moral statutes for an actual justified reason to close the thread. It was the wrong choice and it should be mended.

Quote:

JimJam wrote:
Don't argue with a moderator, it only ends badly, and you know it.

SwallowTail locked the thread, because not only could people find it offensive and degrading, but people had bgun to argue in the thread as well. It's only fair for them to lock it before it got out of control.

First of all, moderators make mistakes. Swallowtail made one. Yvliew is pointing it out. Moderators do not own the forums, they exist to regulate the site. However, given that Yvliew's thread did not break any rules, Swallowtail had no right to close it- especially without even so much as a warning. To contest this decision on Swallowtail's part is entirely understandable. It's not like Swallowtail is a horrible person: he just made a mistake and it's only fair to call him on it.

Second of all, Swallowtail did NOT close the thread because people were arguing. I will provide his reasoning in his own words:
"...you guys talk make Utada like an object, no more less than bone and flesh , and disrespecting Utada. Not respect her as a talented singer. Thus i have to lock this thread."
Essentially, Swallowtail felt that Yvliew and the other contributors to that thread were disrespecting Utada. That's his opinion. It is not valid basis for closing the thread. End of story.

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bobo444 wrote:
Your attitude towards women really does annoy me.

you have no respect,no honour, you are a prevert, and Utada net need a fan like you like a hole in the head, I cannot believe,(I was going to call you a man but you are a pitful excuse for one),that obnoxious throwbacks like you still exist you as a bigoted fool.

All your opinion. You don't like the thread, you don't post in the thread. It's that simple.
Also, I disagree with your interpretation of a "man". What makes a person a man? Honor, respect, and dignity? Does that mean a woman can't have honor, respect, and dignity- for if she did, that would make her a man, no? Your logic is self-defeating. Find somewhere else to troll.

Shuri/Eli


Stop waffling and start taking responsibility for your own actions and behaviour, it is blatantly sexist why on earth would somebody name a thread ?The Hikki boobs fan club - Dont hate us? and not expect people to be offended, for god sake grow up, I have three daughters, would you treat your Mother like this ??????
Posted on: 2009/8/24 22:15
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Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2007/2/10
A/S/L 18/GQ?/CA
Posts: 431
Quote:

bobo444 wrote:

Stop waffling and start taking responsibility for your own actions and behaviour, it is blatantly sexist why on earth would somebody name a thread ?The Hikki boobs fan club - Dont hate us? and not expect people to be offended, for god sake grow up, I have three daughters, would you treat your Mother like this ??????

Uh, wut.
I never attempted to disassociate myself with my "actions and behaviour". I just don't think there's anything wrong with them. And just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm waffling. Perhaps you should grow up and get your accusations straight.
Yvliew never said he didn't expect people to be offended. He WARNED people not to view/participate in the thread if they WERE offended. The fact is, it doesn't matter if they're offended because they don't have to participate. They could have created a separate thread entitled "Hikki boobs fan club HATERS" and discussed their issues there. However, it's not for you or anyone else to make a decision for everyone based on your personal objections to something completely harmless. I could understand if the thread was conceivably hurting someone or threatening the well-being of another person, but it was just a boyish discussion over the sexual appeal of Utada Hikaru. For some it wasn't even that. I'm not sexually attracted to Utada Hikaru, or most women for that matter. I just think Hikki has nice boobs. What's wrong with that?
And don't pull out your three daughters like they have any relevance to this discussion. You're not getting sympathy points just because you've got kids. This has nothing to do with them. So what, I have a little sister. This doesn't affect her at all.

Try coming back with an argument better than "I don't like it and everyone should just agree with me" and maybe I'll consider your points of debate legitimate.

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paisith wrote:
I think Swallowtail do a right thing.Please don't upset with him.May be it's just difference in a culture,something shouldn't talk too much in publicity like that thread...

Again, if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to participate. His culture is apparently not my culture. I don't believe in the degradation of women or any sort of patriarchal domination, either: I didn't see any of that in that thread. Whatever the case, Swallowtail's opinions and personal feelings do not constitute grounds for the action he took. Is there an echo in here?

And, ironically, I haven't even seen any girls speaking out against this: not that it would make a huge difference, but really, it's ALL GUYS. I'm probably the most feminine person to post in this thread thus far, being bisexual and transgendered. So how about all you straight boys take yourselves and the horses you rode in on and drop this inane argument? You're not defending anyone- you're just trying to initiate your own agendas to defend values that aren't applicable to everyone and thus should not be interpreted as forum-wide standards of behavior. Live and let live, folks: your doctrine is yours and yours alone.

Shuri/Eli
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Posted on: 2009/8/24 22:28
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  •  yvliew
      yvliew
Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
Hikki Fanatic
Joined: 2005/4/24
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Posts: 180
stop acting prude everyone..
Posted on: 2009/8/24 22:30
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