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She is what she is. She never really spoke openly about religion, so it doesn't really concern me.
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Posted on: 2013/9/13 14:27
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Posted on: 2013/9/3 5:33
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If she really means "No one knows" or "Nobody knows", why did she then include a divine aspect to this? Out of every manner to say "Nobody knows" (everyone ignores, who knows?, the world doesn't know, etc.) , she said that! There might be something with it! Maybe, maybe not! We're not sure about it, but it has to be considered because from what I know, Hikki's writing is always talked with implying thoughts and hidden pictures or information she wants to give to us, just like her last songs: "Show Me Love", "Goodbye Happiness", "Arashi No Megami"... This is to summarize this precise thought: her lyrics are not her just to hide an expression as simple! And, as far as I know, only religious people can say "Only God Knows", if they're not, why would they have to tell this like this? I wouldn't have said if this song was written by many songwriters but everyone know Utada writes alone all of her own songs!
Quote: "What I'm saying is believing in any religion is delusional." That is judging, or what? Since when it became delusional to believe in any religion whereas "religion" thing was here for so long ago! Plus, ever since human kind needs something to rely on, when things are so crazy, meaningless or else incomprehensible. I think it is perfectly based and human! It's like when something wrong happens: you always need a culprit! So... Delusional? Well, I think it is a very strong word. Quote: Just in the last hour @utadahikaru has been mentioned 11 times, that is one tweet every 5.45 minutes. Earlier it was 14 tweets an hour (one every 4.29 minutes) and 21 tweets an hour (one every 2.86 minutes). Now how many times does she reply or RT an hour? a day? Are you familiar with the concept of statistics and chance? "They are all very random." and "It's just about chance and luck." is exactly my point. Generally though, if I actually cared about her religious views I would ask her, since it only takes a couple seconds to tweet, but I honestly wouldn't expect a reply. ;) Appart from the people she knows, she randomly answer to other people. It is pretty logical, from what I think. So I utterly agree with these arguments! >>>>>> Well. Yeah, it seems like religion is still a squeamish subject to treats about, moreover when it comes to Utada's! But hell yeah, I think she worships Kuma and others Kumas xD At least, it's the only think we're sure of! Let's knock it off and stop showing the claws, neither she reveals or not, Hikki stays Hikki, and your appreciation of her might not change for so! Peace! <3 I'm alright with the last post!! |
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Posted on: 2012/8/13 6:34
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it is just like how we worship her...
it doesn't matter what or which religion she worships... religion is supposed to be a guide for humankind anyways and as long her moral compass is pointing towards the right direction... not really a bad thing, really... |
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I think she worships only the Kuma.
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Posted on: 2012/8/11 21:06
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It feels like we're treading on dangerous topics here. Religion is a good way to incite a flame war.
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Posted on: 2012/8/11 14:06
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I know they are curious, and I never said that was wrong. I said I don't see why it matters. And I'm telling you it matters to some people because the knowledge would satisfy their curiousity (at least for a time). So, in other words, I'm telling you why it matters because you said you don't see why. My wording was quite sarcastic but the intention behind that was playful rather than harmful. I didn't argue your opinion on the matter. Quote: Also, religious people are not delusional. Sure, there is no proof of God, but there isn't any proof that God isn't real, either. There is no evidence whatsoever that suggests the existence of any deity. Neither is there any evidence supporting any religion in general. On the contrary, any and all "evidence" brought up by cult followers continues to be dismissed as no actual evidence by the scientific community. So, acknowledging the possibility of the existance of, for instance, god is one thing, but actually believing in him is delusional. Quote: kinda how you think that the "Only God knows.." lyric is a metaphor.. Okay? What is that a metaphor for? Nowhere did I say that I think it is meant to be a metaphor. I said it could be. Just to answer your question though, from an atheist perspective 'only god knows' would most certainly be a metaphor for 'nobody knows' or 'no one knows'. Quote: What seems ignorant/bad or delusional to you, might be a comforting thought to one, and of course vice versa. Most religious people have good morals and ethics, thus live good lives. Since when was it delusional to be kind to others, and live decently? Just because some people are corrupt and alter "God" or some deities to feel that their personal views, for instance Christians/Catholics (abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.) are right, does not mean everyone feels/does the same thing. Not all people who follow a religion share the same views of the hateful people that you may have come to know. Don't paint everyone with the same brush... Okay, let me clarify. What I'm saying is believing in any religion is delusional. I'm not saying religious people are delusional in every aspect of their lives and all their views are wrong, and I'm certainly not judging their morals or ethics. Quote: You wouldn't think any less of her? Just that she's delusional right? Yeah, that's TOTALLY not thinking any less of someone. You're writing style is quite aggressive. If finding out someone's view on something was delusional would lower your oppinion of them, that's your thing, but don't put me on the same boat. When I say "I would not think any less of her" it's probably best to assume that is exactly what I mean, just for ease of conversation. Or we can go ahead and both question everything the other says and declare it a lie, but I believe conversation would be quite difficult if we did that. Quote: Have you not seen some of the things she has RT, or replied to? They are all very random. Who is to say she won't see it and/or reply? It's just about chance and luck. And I'm pretty sure a million people aren't tweeting at her all day, everyday. Just in the last hour @utadahikaru has been mentioned 11 times, that is one tweet every 5.45 minutes. Earlier it was 14 tweets an hour (one every 4.29 minutes) and 21 tweets an hour (one every 2.86 minutes). Now how many times does she reply or RT an hour? a day? Are you familiar with the concept of statistics and chance? "They are all very random." and "It's just about chance and luck." is exactly my point. Generally though, if I actually cared about her religious views I would ask her, since it only takes a couple seconds to tweet, but I honestly wouldn't expect a reply. ;) |
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Posted on: 2012/8/10 21:18
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It could satisfy curiosity one might assume. Rumor has it, members on a fansite of any artist are quite curious about the person. I know they are curious, and I never said that was wrong. I said I don't see why it matters. People here are a fan of Utada Hikaru, someone who creates MUSIC. They did not really come here because they are solely fans of her personality, beliefs, etc. It's just an added bonus that Hikki seems to be a really cool person. That being said, I believe it doesn't matter because people shouldn't draw their opinions on someone who is famous based on their personal life, rather than their craft and the work they create. And I know most here are just curious, but sadly there may be some people ignorant enough to let her beliefs sway their opinions of her. Quote: Religious people are delusional. They believe in claims with no merits made by other delusional or actually intentionally deceiving human beings. I wouldn't want anyone to be delusional. Hence, I wouldn't want her to be religious. Also, religious people are not delusional. Sure, there is no proof of God, but there isn't any proof that God isn't real, either. Who is to say that the big bang/evolution wasn't caused by some all mighty power or some shit? The bible and other religious texts are chalked full of symbolism and metaphors (kinda how you think that the "Only God knows.." lyric is a metaphor.. Okay? What is that a metaphor for?). People are allowed to believe in whatever they want to. I myself am not religious, but for you to say that someone's own individual views on the world around them (and perhaps beyond?) is delusional of you, thinking you have the right to determine that. Were you alive, thousands of years ago to know what happened, and what didn't? What seems ignorant/bad or delusional to you, might be a comforting thought to one, and of course vice versa. Most religious people have good morals and ethics, thus live good lives. Since when was it delusional to be kind to others, and live decently? Just because some people are corrupt and alter "God" or some deities to feel that their personal views, for instance Christians/Catholics (abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.) are right, does not mean everyone feels/does the same thing. Not all people who follow a religion share the same views of the hateful people that you may have come to know. Don't paint everyone with the same brush... Quote: Frankly, if I found out she was, I would not think any less of her. You wouldn't think any less of her? Just that she's delusional right? Yeah, that's TOTALLY not thinking any less of someone. Quote: She has nearly a million followers so the odds of her even seeing the tweet are rather...... ;) Have you not seen some of the things she has RT, or replied to? They are all very random. Who is to say she won't see it and/or reply? It's just about chance and luck. And I'm pretty sure a million people aren't tweeting at her all day, everyday.  |
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Posted on: 2012/8/10 16:35
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You can truly understand the real depths of a song's meaning only when you deeply know the person who wrote it, according to me, obviously. Whether it's about beliefs or else "way of life", or even about past. Maybe some songs would appear more clear about the personal meaning to her if we could know a little more about her beliefs even if, I admit there's absolutely nothing that would change about the beauty of her voice of course!
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Posted on: 2012/8/9 3:25
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I don't really see why it matters what religion Hikki follows, if any.. It could satisfy curiosity one might assume. Rumor has it, members on a fansite of any artist are quite curious about the person. Quote: I also don't see why someone doesn't want her to be religious. Religious people are delusional. They believe in claims with no merits made by other delusional or actually intentionally deceiving human beings. I wouldn't want anyone to be delusional. Hence, I wouldn't want her to be religious. Frankly, if I found out she was, I would not think any less of her. Quote: Why don't one of you just ask her on Twitter? She has nearly a million followers so the odds of her even seeing the tweet are rather......  ;) |
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