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Re: Utada Hikaru SHOULD start foraying to the Korean market.
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I reallly wonder. For the label SM Entertainment, only boy bands have albums released in triple versions (Versions A, B, and C):

- TVXQ (O Jung Ban Hap and Mirotic)
- Super Junior (Sorry Sorry and Bonamana)
- SHINee (The Shinee World and Lucifer)

Versions A and B are of the same tracks but different packaging while version C is the repackaed version with extra new tracks. I wonder why SM is doing this (I think it's because of low physical sales in Korea - 2007 was the worst physical sales declination in Korea, and the highest selling Korean album of 2007 never reached 200,000 copies).
Posted on: 2010/9/15 21:36
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Re: Utada Hikaru SHOULD start foraying to the Korean market.
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Jiremi wrote:So, you must think it's pathetic that Utada Hikaru does it too, correct?
Utada doesn't do that. The only single that has multiple versions is Boku wa Kuma. There were paper-case versions for Be My Last and Passion but they seemed to be for those who can afford the normal CD+DVD version. And even when she released re-cut single for PoL there were PV, two versions of the song with 2 karaoke and extremely nice booklet so it was actually worth the money.


If you want to be technical, for "Automatic/Time Will Tell", "Movin' On Without You", and "First Love", she released 8 & 12cm versions. Each version contained different remixes and karaoke versions. For "Wait & See", "Traveling", "Colors", and "Dareka no Negai ga Kanau Koro", she released CD and DVD single versions. For "Keep Tryin'" she released a CD and CD+DVD version. If you want to put it into terms, these releases would be considered "Version A, B & C".
Technically it still cannot be considered "Version A, B & C" we're talking about. It's nothing close to milking. 8cm/12cm were two formats so it was only normal for EMI to release both at the times. Releasing a DVD with a PV =/= version B of a single, they were different things and they charted differently (8cm and 12cm cds weren't charting as one thing, too). Now as the times were changing and DVD getting cheaper DVD was added as a bonus to a single but for those who couldn't afford it CD only version was available. From what you said only PoL was released in CD+DVD format only and as I said before they did almost everything for the release to be worth buying for a casual fan.
I have no problem with two version of a single/album when the only difference one has PVs and the other doesn't - why pay for something you don't need? I also understand costly "fan only special limited and expensive" version for fans. But I consider milking when a release follows more or less this schema:
1.Three versions or more
2.To have all the songs that come with the release you need buy all of them
3. If there are more that one PV each of them is in a different version
4. Different covers for the release - not as much as previous points but it makes a collector buy something twice only for a face value.
Posted on: 2010/8/17 0:33
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Re: Utada Hikaru SHOULD start foraying to the Korean market.
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^ Kevin - you've got a chance to change your post or I'll delete it. It eats a lot of space in this thread.
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Posted on: 2010/8/16 22:37
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SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY, but Hikki DID really changed Japan! ^_^
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Re: Utada Hikaru SHOULD start foraying to the Korean market.
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You have proven my point. 4Minute released their first Japanese single on May 5. Let me inform you that this single only had one Japanese song on it, which was the most popular of theirs at the time. The rest was in Korean. On May 8, they held a concert and reports say that the tickets were sold out in a short period of time. Do you really consider that a few fans?


- That concert depends on their venue. And as far as I know, there are tons of Koreans in Japan. Of course, they know about 4minute. When the ticket was sold out, do you think only the Japanese patronized it? And what I was saying was that, they had a few Japanese fans before they debut there of course after that debut they get to promote themselves and their songs aired on radios and TV shows.

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As for Korean artists following Tohoshinki and BoA, there were other Kpop artists in Japan before them. The Korean Girl S.E.S. released 3 albums before Tohoshinki and BoA. Also, there were several kpop artists who debuted in Japan before Tohoshinki. Some of them are: BoA (obviously), Rain, and Se7en. No one is going to Japan because of the success of other artists. So what's your reason now?


But who made the biggest record then? Whenever a KPOP artist is asked who their inspiration for trying it in the Japanese Market, they always mention BoA and Tohoshinki. I've set them as my example because they were the top Korean artists who've been successful in Japan until this point. Well, fans are always their second reason for it.

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How is that a pathetic marketing strategy? They do it, not only in Korea, but in America and Japan, too. Some artists who do it are: Tohoshinki, Koda Kumi, Ayumi Hamasaki, MEG, BoA, and a LOTmore others. The equivalent of Korea's "Version A, B, and C" is Japan's "CD, CD+DVD, CD+2DVD, and CD+random items". So, you must think it's pathetic that Utada Hikaru does it too, correct?


In SME is waay different. They release a Version A, with different cover and pictures, then Version B with another set of different cover and pictures. But the tracks ARE THE SAME. They only differ in the covers and pictures inside it. After that, they will release another single of whatsoever. They do not add remixed version. Does Utada do something as pathetic as that? If they want the fans to have a collectible items, why do they re-release versions with the same tracks but with different pictures, they should've just sell collectible pictures and posters. Because what they're doing is nonsense.
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Posted on: 2010/8/16 21:50
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Jiremi wrote:So, you must think it's pathetic that Utada Hikaru does it too, correct?
Utada doesn't do that. The only single that has multiple versions is Boku wa Kuma. There were paper-case versions for Be My Last and Passion but they seemed to be for those who can afford the normal CD+DVD version. And even when she released re-cut single for PoL there were PV, two versions of the song with 2 karaoke and extremely nice booklet so it was actually worth the money.


If you want to be technical, for "Automatic/Time Will Tell", "Movin' On Without You", and "First Love", she released 8 & 12cm versions. Each version contained different remixes and karaoke versions. For "Wait & See", "Traveling", "Colors", and "Dareka no Negai ga Kanau Koro", she released CD and DVD single versions. For "Keep Tryin'" she released a CD and CD+DVD version. If you want to put it into terms, these releases would be considered "Version A, B & C".
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Posted on: 2010/8/16 16:14
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Jiremi wrote:So, you must think it's pathetic that Utada Hikaru does it too, correct?
Utada doesn't do that. The only single that has multiple versions is Boku wa Kuma. There were paper-case versions for Be My Last and Passion but they seemed to be for those who can afford the normal CD+DVD version. And even when she released re-cut single for PoL there were PV, two versions of the song with 2 karaoke and extremely nice booklet so it was actually worth the money.
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Why do you think all those dumb generic kpop groups are trying to make it in Japan if Korea is so great?


They aren't trying to make it big in Japan. Kpop groups release their music in Japan for their Japanese fans, not the fame. All they do is translate their most popular song and re-release their album (which stays in Korean).


I don't really think so. 4Minute had a few fans in Japan before they started to enter the Japanese market. And why is it that after they saw the big success of Tohoshinki and BoA several Korean artists tried to enter Japan. Even though their fanbase weren't that big enough. It's just the same if Asian artists try to make it in America. America has a huge market, Japan has the 2nd.


You have proven my point. 4Minute released their first Japanese single on May 5. Let me inform you that this single only had one Japanese song on it, which was the most popular of theirs at the time. The rest was in Korean. On May 8, they held a concert and reports say that the tickets were sold out in a short period of time. Do you really consider that a few fans?

As for Korean artists following Tohoshinki and BoA, there were other Kpop artists in Japan before them. The Korean Girl S.E.S. released 3 albums before Tohoshinki and BoA. Also, there were several kpop artists who debuted in Japan before Tohoshinki. Some of them are: BoA (obviously), Rain, and Se7en. No one is going to Japan because of the success of other artists. So what's your reason now?

An example to prove my point:
Korean singer Rain re-released his mini-album, Back To The Basic(which only had one Japanese song on it, which was the most popular from the album) in Japan and then held a series of concerts through Japan for his Japanese fans. He said he chose the Zepp's because he wanted it to be a close and intimate time with his fans. He didn't have to release the album in Japan, but he did, for the fans in Japan. He wasn't trying to garner sales. Now, that's what I call, "for the fans", don't you think?

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Just wtf it is to have released an album, then it will have a version a, b, c, *sadkljasldjaowudasd|*----z. (I'm exaggerating) after those versions, singles will be released. Pathetic marketing strategy. Only those insane fans would buy their crap.


How is that a pathetic marketing strategy? They do it, not only in Korea, but in America and Japan, too. Some artists who do it are: Tohoshinki, Koda Kumi, Ayumi Hamasaki, MEG, BoA, and a LOTmore others. The equivalent of Korea's "Version A, B, and C" is Japan's "CD, CD+DVD, CD+2DVD, and CD+random items". So, you must think it's pathetic that Utada Hikaru does it too, correct?
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Posted on: 2010/8/16 11:21
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Re: Utada Hikaru SHOULD start foraying to the Korean market.
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^ I haven't read all the given articles yet.

Here's what for me, SM Entertainment is a scumbag agency. I'm pretty sure they're just supporting their celebrity rights because SME is afraid of losing billions of Won in their hands. Of course all agencies are afraid of that too, but SME is an exception. SME handles their talents as robotic as they could; in counterpart of Japan's Johnny's Entertainment.

Just wtf it is to have released an album, then it will have a version a, b, c, *sadkljasldjaowudasd|*----z. (I'm exaggerating) after those versions, singles will be released. Pathetic marketing strategy. Only those insane fans would buy their crap.

In the wide competition of the Kpop industry, groups are just popping and popping every minute. In the late 2009 and this year, there have been 17 groups debuted/to debut. How would you expect them to be now? Ever since Kpop bloated up, it's as if the Korean music industry panicked and talent agencies just wanted to have plenty of groups thinking that the whole world would support them. But hell no, they can't even tell that its getting lame. I liked DBSK, Super Junior, 2ne1, SNSD and BoA. But I can't stomach the rest that will debut any longer. My ears are bleeding from hearing the same auto-tuned kpop now. They should fix it.
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Posted on: 2010/8/16 9:07
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Re: Utada Hikaru SHOULD start foraying to the Korean market.
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Why Korean musicians tout for business in Japan ?????..

Two possible reasons, the first relates to Korea being one of main offenders of copyright piracy, the second being shackled to an industry that is obsessed with ?artistic? agencies like SM Entertainment,

http://blog.mtviggy.com/2010/04/16/top-10-biggest-k-pop-crossovers-to-japan/
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Court invalidates 'slave-like contract' for entertainers....

http://www.kpoplive.com/2010/07/05/yuri-sooyoung-and-sm-entertainment-support-celebrity-rights-and-fair-contracts/

http://smtownjjang.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/disruptions-in-activities-and-lawsuits-with-sm-entertainment-and-previously-associated-artist/

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/08/113_71408.html

http://www.dkpopnews.net/2010/08/news-court-invalidates-slave-like.html]#

http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/1101020729/money.html

......BoA is a shareholder in SM entertainment.....

?BoA has extended her contract with SM Entertainment until 2012. She is also a share holder of SM Entertainment? ...since 2003, although this article suggests since 2000......

Although current trading statements point to 2003 ....not available on line....

http://aqcayrin.multiply.com/reviews/item/10#

My Kpop aficionado?s tells me ?rock-a-billy? revue act The Rocktigers will break in the US.....

http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/life/rocktigers-881347

Would Hikki want to enter a market with these issues ...??
Posted on: 2010/8/16 6:53
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