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Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
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Shurikid wrote:

First of all, NO. I can tell when a guy has abs even if he's wearing a shirt. It's obvious. Second of all, you're right, a girl can't hide her breasts- NOR should she feel compelled to under any circumstances! A woman's breasts are natural. Clothing is unnatural. This is what I'm trying to get at. Western modesty is such BS; it's all about feeling ashamed of the physical human body and trying to avoid any sort of discussion about it whatsoever except when absolutely necessary. There is NO DIFFERENCE between a man's chest and a woman's chest except for socially conditioned perceptions resulting from a twisted development of the human consciousness. Also, you claim the responsibility is not on the woman, but I repeat that, in the end, no one else dresses her. If Utada didn't want to wear something, it's not like she would have to; it's ultimately her choice. Moreover, it's not like it can be MY FAULT for looking at her breasts. I'm not going to pretend a completely obvious part of the female body doesn't exist just to serve some weird concept of morality that someone else wants to impose upon me. Women have breasts. I notice them. That isn't my fault. Blame nature. See if it cares.

People weren't only posing pictures. They were commenting on her breasts and how they found them to be nice/sexually appealing/whatever. I.E., discussion. So your "other note" fails.

Shuri/Eli


You aren't listening to the point I was making about abs. Abs CAN be hidden, and to be seen they take off their shirt. I usually can tell if a person has abs, not from looking at their stomach, but the rest of their body. If that is in shape, usually the abs are too. Since when did this discussion turn into criticizing western culture? I would beg to differ there too, if you want a culture who tries to hide the body, look at the middle east. Westerners celebrate the body, a lot more than other cultures. Utada said so herself, she can walk down a street in NYC in a mini skirt, but if she did that in Japan she would be thought as kind of trampy. Same with the bathing suit in Easy Breezy.

And your arguement for nobody else dressing Utada, as I pointed out, is completely invalid. First, celebrities don't always get a say in what they wear, they usually will throw on what the stylist hands them, even if they don't like it. Not to mention if they have deals with certain fashion designers or are doing a commercial with a director who has a specific image in mind of what sort of outfit he wants the celebrity to wear. This excuse of "a woman should be more mindful of what she wears, its not our fault that we look at --- because she decided to wear something that shows ---" is getting old. Face it, it is an excuse. While I do agree that a certain amount of responsibility comes with the girl and what she chooses to put on, but someone should not have to make an effort to not wear anything that reveals any part of her body because she doesn't want a guy staring at it. To me, although I admit the scenario is totally different, but I find the mindset similar, when people say when a guy hits a girl, "well she must have done something to cause him to hit her." No. There isn't an excuse! Quit acting like the men aren't to blame and it is the women provoking the men to do a certain action. Take responsibility for yourself. And realize that the situation is different between men and women in this area. Women have had a large history of being sexually harassed. So you can't say one thing about one sex and say the same about the other and expect it to be okay. And women always get the negative aspect of this, ie: a man sleeps around a lot, he's the man. A woman sleeps around a lot, she is a (censored). etc. etc.

Gah sorry this is so long and crappily put together, I'm typing this right before I go to bed. Which probably isn't the smartest thing but oh well
Posted on: 2009/8/25 22:29
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     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination JimJam 2009/8/24 21:15
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/24 21:24
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination DjPho 2009/8/24 21:45
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 21:47
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination paisith 2009/8/24 22:10
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 22:15
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 22:28
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/24 22:30
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/24 23:02
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Unregistered 2009/8/25 11:56
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 21:33
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 22:45
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 22:50
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 22:56
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 22:55
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination quincye93 2009/8/24 22:56
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 22:57
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:01
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 23:07
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:20
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/24 23:31
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:41
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/24 23:48
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 23:45
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:51
                       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 23:56
                         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 0:08
                           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/25 0:33
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/25 1:00
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/25 4:39
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Amaterasu 2009/8/25 8:09
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Amaterasu 2009/8/25 8:17
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination paisith 2009/8/24 23:18
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/24 23:08
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 23:15
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 23:21
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:27
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 23:36
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/25 0:41
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination illastrate 2009/8/25 8:45
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Macdan 2009/8/25 9:40
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Unregistered 2009/8/25 10:48
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/25 10:55
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/25 10:59
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/25 11:06
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 20:38
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/25 22:29
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 23:26
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/26 0:51
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/26 1:43
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/28 21:35
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/29 7:47
                       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/30 1:37
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Josh_Shing 2009/8/25 15:46
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination SwallowTail 2009/8/25 20:41
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 21:12
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/25 22:19
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Josh_Shing 2009/8/26 2:01
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/26 4:42
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination barried 2009/8/27 9:11
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/27 21:49
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/28 2:55
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/28 19:57
                       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/29 8:00
                         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination kayoko 2009/9/28 20:48
                           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination <3_UtadaHikaru_Aijin_<3 2009/10/2 9:35
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Amaterasu 2009/8/25 21:19
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination SwallowTail 2009/8/25 22:00
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Studebaker 2009/8/25 22:29
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination FunkyStrawberries 2009/8/26 7:42
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/27 5:23
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