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Re: Swallowtail and his imagination
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ItsDaveyJ wrote:
Personally, I am a guy and I am glad that it was locked. I too found it to be rather sexist. It is one thing to say that she has nice breasts and another thing to post a bunch of pictures zooming in on that one aspect of her. That is the difference between a compliment on a feature, and stepping over the line. Utada has never presented herself in an outwardly sexual way, and so I don't think she wants herself to be viewed in that manner. She has always been about her music, and has tried to distance herself from the Hollywood kind of sexuality.

To Shurikid too, I believe you said something about when a girl (or boy) puts on something provocative they know the reaction it will get. There are several things wrong with that, first, Utada is a pop icon, and thus she has to stay up on fashion to a degree, and when fashion dictates that low cut is in, you kind of have to go low cut. Second, I'm sure she doesn't always get to pick out her clothes, she must have a stylist. I wouldn't be surprised if she saw her outfits only 5 minutes before putting them on. And there is a total difference to wearing a mini skirt and wearing something that says Juicy on the butt. The words explicitly state what the wearer wants the viewer to think, the mini skirt alone could mean something entirely different to the wearer than what the viewer thinks. There is personal responsibility, but Utada has always been tasteful, so I don't think we can tell her to be mindful of what she wears because she has done nothing to deserve that. Now if you are talking about Kim Kardashian or someone like that... that is a different story.

Another thing, you said somewhere that guys would just feel complimented if someone complimented them on their abs. There is a key difference there, a guy must either lift up his shirt or take it off for them to be seen. He CHOOSES for them to be seen, a girl and her breasts, no matter what she wears, cannot really hide her double d breasts very well. It is time that we realize that the responsibility is not on the woman for what she wears (unless it is really trashy and shows the person is really trying) and realize that the guys (or girls or w/e) are just being pervs.

And a final note, posting pictures showing how "hot" her breasts are is not "discussing" a part of her body.

The thread was ONE thread amidst a wide variety of other threads discussing other topics. This is such utter hypocrisy; we can have a discussion surrounding ONLY Hikki's singing and that's fine, but her breasts are off limits unless we add something else to the conversation? Both are natural aspects of her beautiful person. Why can we discuss one but not the other?

First of all, NO. I can tell when a guy has abs even if he's wearing a shirt. It's obvious. Second of all, you're right, a girl can't hide her breasts- NOR should she feel compelled to under any circumstances! A woman's breasts are natural. Clothing is unnatural. This is what I'm trying to get at. Western modesty is such BS; it's all about feeling ashamed of the physical human body and trying to avoid any sort of discussion about it whatsoever except when absolutely necessary. There is NO DIFFERENCE between a man's chest and a woman's chest except for socially conditioned perceptions resulting from a twisted development of the human consciousness. Also, you claim the responsibility is not on the woman, but I repeat that, in the end, no one else dresses her. If Utada didn't want to wear something, it's not like she would have to; it's ultimately her choice. Moreover, it's not like it can be MY FAULT for looking at her breasts. I'm not going to pretend a completely obvious part of the female body doesn't exist just to serve some weird concept of morality that someone else wants to impose upon me. Women have breasts. I notice them. That isn't my fault. Blame nature. See if it cares.

People weren't only posing pictures. They were commenting on her breasts and how they found them to be nice/sexually appealing/whatever. I.E., discussion. So your "other note" fails.

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Taiyou wrote:
I think this whole thing is just silly. Stop overreacting, it's just breasts.

Again, this isn't about the breasts for me. It's about the concept of a moderator locking a thread based on his own personal moralities without any rules to back his decision. THAT is wrong.

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Josh_Shing wrote:
Eh that thread was gonna go down sooner or later. So obvious i mean we're focusing on her BOOBS. There's so many wrong things there.

Such as?

I like the "rare/favorite pictures of hikki" thread better, too, but that doesn't mean other people should be barred from sharing amongst each other things which interest them and which no one else has to involve themselves with. This is about fairness, not preference. :/

Shuri/Eli
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 20:38
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     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination JimJam 2009/8/24 21:15
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/24 21:24
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination DjPho 2009/8/24 21:45
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 21:47
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination paisith 2009/8/24 22:10
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 22:15
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 22:28
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/24 22:30
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/24 23:02
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Unregistered 2009/8/25 11:56
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 21:33
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 22:45
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 22:50
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 22:56
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 22:55
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination quincye93 2009/8/24 22:56
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 22:57
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:01
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination bobo444 2009/8/24 23:07
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:20
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/24 23:31
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:41
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/24 23:48
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 23:45
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:51
                       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 23:56
                         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 0:08
                           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/25 0:33
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/25 1:00
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/25 4:39
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Amaterasu 2009/8/25 8:09
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Amaterasu 2009/8/25 8:17
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination paisith 2009/8/24 23:18
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/24 23:08
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/24 23:15
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 23:21
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/24 23:27
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination jesuislm 2009/8/24 23:36
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/25 0:41
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination illastrate 2009/8/25 8:45
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Macdan 2009/8/25 9:40
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Unregistered 2009/8/25 10:48
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/25 10:55
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/25 10:59
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/25 11:06
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 20:38
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/25 22:29
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 23:26
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/26 0:51
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination ItsDaveyJ 2009/8/26 1:43
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/28 21:35
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/29 7:47
                       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/30 1:37
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Josh_Shing 2009/8/25 15:46
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination SwallowTail 2009/8/25 20:41
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Shurikid 2009/8/25 21:12
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/25 22:19
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Josh_Shing 2009/8/26 2:01
               Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/26 4:42
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination barried 2009/8/27 9:11
                 Re: Swallowtail and his imagination GIGAcorrupt 2009/8/27 21:49
                   Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/28 2:55
                     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination LoBFCanti 2009/8/28 19:57
                       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Pips_Paradise 2009/8/29 8:00
                         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination kayoko 2009/9/28 20:48
                           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination <3_UtadaHikaru_Aijin_<3 2009/10/2 9:35
         Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Amaterasu 2009/8/25 21:19
           Re: Swallowtail and his imagination SwallowTail 2009/8/25 22:00
             Re: Swallowtail and his imagination Studebaker 2009/8/25 22:29
     Re: Swallowtail and his imagination FunkyStrawberries 2009/8/26 7:42
       Re: Swallowtail and his imagination yvliew 2009/8/27 5:23
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