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So am I to assume you approve of the Middle Eastern styled sexual repression? Because you are essentially advocating the same concept: men should not look at a woman's flesh unless they are intimate or something of the sort. The only difference is that in some parts of the Middle East they have actually introduced the only POSSIBLE manner in which to enforce this kind of morality: by keeping women entirely covered up. Otherwise men WILL look at women. They know this because it is a fact of nature. Historically, you can see the same trends in Western culture- women used to be forced to cover up their entire bodies so as to reveal a minimal amount of flesh. It has now been reduced to more of a mentality, but it is no less mistaken. Both Western and Middle Eastern cultures defy nature: Western culture provides a deranged mindset, Middle Eastern culture provides a manner in which to enforce that same mindset. But you're right, this thread isn't about bashing Western culture. I disagree with any perception of the world that calls for the prohibition of harmless natural tendencies.

How far back on the "it's not her fault" scale do we have to go? You're the one making excuses. Celebrities choose their lifestyle. They should know what is in store for them. If they don't want to wear revealing clothes, they shouldn't become involved in an industry in which that is the norm: OR they should actively speak out against it and try to reform said industry from within. However, Utada does not object to the clothes she wears, and I would go so far as to say that she does not think twice about them. For goodness' sake, she writes songs explicitly about being flirtatious and cheating with men who are married! I highly doubt she would be disturbed or threatened by a thread discussing her breasts. What hypocrisy it is to try and defend Utada's innocence and then go and blast "Dirty Desire" on your mp3 player! She isn't an angel, she isn't concerned with people discussing her body, because if she was she wouldn't be writing songs about using her body the way she does. What, are you going to claim that stylists write her songs for her now, too?

And you're absolutely right: a girl should not be concerned with what she wears because she should not be concerned with having people look at her body! It's there to look at! Nobody's hurting her by looking at her boobs. It's not my fault if she's ashamed of them to the extent that she would feel "sexually harassed". Right, because my eyes are going to undress her and take her against her will. This is such blatant reverse sexism. There is no way a man could ever realistically file sexual harassment charges against a woman for staring at his crotch; the court would throw it out as immaterial. After all, how could a woman EVER harass man? It's unthinkable! Women are strong and independent and completely equal to men in every way- that is, UNTIL it comes time for them to own up to their responsibilities. Then they play the "oh we've been oppressed for so long and we can't hurt anybody we're weak and vulnerable" card- and nobody sees the contradiction here? Let me tell you, I know what the heck oppression is. I'm a bisexual Native American living in America. I like to wear feminine clothing and make-up. I have seen my share of discrimination. But none of that would matter to ANYONE if I were to go out and slap a woman because, purely by virtue of the fact that I was born as a male, that would be considered harassment. If a female, however, was to commit the same act of aggression against me, I would be expected to suck it up and take it like a man. So don't pull the "it's not the same thing!" routine with me: a slap is a slap. Women are not excusable merely because they have breasts and a vagina. Get over it.

(I'm also posting this just before bed. I know exactly what you mean. xD)

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Please provide the rule I asked for before. I don't care how many members there are on this site or what the public thinks of it: you aren't a PR spokesperson, you're a moderator. If people won't join the site because of a thread about Utada's boobs than they're probably too prude to be bothered with anyway. Either way, it's unimportant- the expectation is that you will regulate the site fairly and without bias, Swallowtail, and you need to show us that's what you did. I would like the rule you based your decision upon. Please and thank you.

Shuri/Eli