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Hikki Fanatic
 
Joined: 2005/4/24
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we can only realized that SwallowTail is one little obsessed hall monitor boy/girl which nobody really cares.
"This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site" so what? don't u think minor these days get exposed to boobs/sexy outfit/cleavage ?? Which country are you from????? the internet is a dangerous place, minor goes to the internet should be supervised by their parents. It's self responsibilities. Unlock the thread. You have no valid point to lock it up until now. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 22:19
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Joined: 2008/6/13
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Well every body have a different perspective and it will keep crossing each other. Maybe some blood will end it
 Hey maybe you were right Amaterasu mayb i should point it earlier This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site oh man to explanation huh, just with one sentence can make you understand  PS : not in the right place moved to General Discussion |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 22:00
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Hikki Obsessed
 
Joined: 2008/4/29
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I love debates. Let's rock.
Quote: 1. This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site Damned good point. No contest from me. But you should have perhaps stated this earlier. Quote: 2. I'm not thinking on one perspective only. That is quite an unfair point to make. You have changed the topic to from drooling over a stranger to someone drooling about a person that you care about. People don't think objectively when emotions are involved. Quote: Second : Lets say this girl is your friends and think about what i said earlier It is common for men to have sexual thoughts about their female friends. Quote: Third : Think as you were Teruzane Utada , does anyone of you ever think that thread also insult him since HIkaru were his daughter. This is hypothetical and a subjective question. Let's not presume to bring further WHAT IFs into the debate as it has no real world bearing. Quote: Fourth : Think you were on her side, she not consider that also a sexual harassment. Ask Utada. She may think of it as a compliment. She may hate it, she may think it's weird. I'm not her. Again, a WHAT IF statement. Harassment can also be defined as repeated unwanted sexual advances. No one is in the near capable position to do this to Hikaru. Quote: Sexual harassment not just physically , mentally but you can do that by words. None of the comments were ever meant to be addressed to her. It is not harassing in nature. Quote: Another point of view. Let say you and your friends in a cafe and saw a sexy girl in your perspective. And you guys talking about part of her body and etc ,what id this girl know and her friends will she just quiet and not consider that as sexual harassment. And trying to take different view she was your friends. Will yo stand still and do nothing. Women do that to men all the time. Likewise, the reverse happens too. Although your grammar has fallen apart and I don't quite understand what you mean. In any case, it can be taken as either rude behaviour or a compliment. It depends on the situation and the girl. Quote: And this time we were just Utada fans no more no less , have any one of you ever spoke in person to Utada and be her friends. What does being Hikaru's friend have anything to do with this? Sexual harassment is sexual harassment. Between family, co-workers, friends or strangers. But again - I don't see any harassment here. You use the term sexual harassment too liberally. It is a horribly subjective term in which it has no boundry for application. I can offer you, a fellow man, a cup of water and you can take me to court for sexual harassment and have a case. The point is simply this: beyond your first point, I really don't see any real reason to close the thread. Where does harassment come in? Has anyone pestered UH or made sexual advances or annoyed her in a sexual manner? Does anyone here even have the ability to see her in person to follow through with this said 'sexual harassment'. If you wanted to print off my picture and choke your chicken over it, that's your business. But so long as you aren't telling me about it, or bothering me about it directly - there's no harassment case at all. If anything, the thread was a good testiment to 'boys being boys' and was a blight on this forum's level of dignity. It was unbecoming and a bit slovenly. But you're making a big fuss over this. A line has to be drawn, a practical one. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 21:19
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Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2007/2/10
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Thank you Swallowtail. I very much appreciate hearing your stance on this issue and your explanation as to why you locked the thread. Here is what I have to say: I am not going to debate with you your morals and your feelings, because I've been doing that enough lately. Go look at any of my other posts and you will know my position. This isn't my concern, I was only debating with other people to pass the time and keep the thread alive; plus I tend to get drawn into tangents. In terms of your action and the motives behind it, which is what's bothering me, I have only one request: please cite a rule from the list of official UtadaNet forum rules (http://www.utadanet.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4&forum=1) which supports your decision and explain how and why it does so. If you are incapable of doing so, unlock the thread. Simple. If you, as a moderator, can not find a rule which condones your action, compensate for it by fixing your action. This isn't about your feelings or your viewpoints, this is about being fair to the other members of the forums. If no rules were broken, then the thread should not have been locked. Again, thank you for responding. Shuri/Eli |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 21:12
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First of all sry for late reply and i'm gonna explained why i locked those thread
My consideration why i locked the thread 1. This is the biggest Utada fansite with over 7000 members, there are minor but if the public sees this it may look bad on this credibility of this site . 2. I'm not thinking on one perspective only. First : Shuri/Eli you got wrong point of view when you said, when your sister talking a compliment about Joe Jonas (i don't know about him...The Jonas Brother Band perhaps, correct me if i'm wrong) and lets say we change Utada to your sister, first you guys said she got nice breast and you think its still a compliment and next they talking about nipple http://www.utadanet.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4048&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=40 and next they talk about booty what next another part of her body that gotten more privacy. Its not about sex orientation, i am gonna ask you ask brother will you or will you not consider that as a sexual harassment.And this time you were just a fans. Second : Lets say this girl is your friends and think about what i said earlier Third : Think as you were Teruzane Utada , does anyone of you ever think that thread also insult him since HIkaru were his daughter. Fourth : Think you were on her side, she not consider that also a sexual harassment. Its not the picture the reason i lock the thread, somne of the words should i post it. Sexual harassment not just physically , mentally but you can do that by words. Should i wait until you guys cross the line as Utada Fans. Another point of view. Let say you and your friends in a cafe and saw a sexy girl in your perspective. And you guys talking about part of her body and etc ,what if this girl know and her friends will she just quiet and not consider that as sexual harassment. And trying to take different view that she was your friends. Will yo stand still and do nothing. And this time we were just Utada fans no more no less , have any one of you ever spoke in person to Utada and be her friends. And Quote: Sorry Hikki! We had to entertain ourselfs.. Havent heard from you so long!! we got bored Is this a everybody reason for making the thread, or a sole purpose. I am a man and yes i don't denied it she is sexy , but i prefer talk it not in public place where anyone can read it. 3. And with that reason does my right to lock the thread were solely my own purpose, because it was a popular thread. I'm not trying to liking you all, but like the first reason this is a public place. Does with those reason i explained to lock thread were solely my own purpose? no need to answer... ask yourself. Thank you SwallowTail PS: if you guys have any question i will glad to answer it. Actually when i log on .. i thought there will be lots of PM regarding i lock the thread ..... but come on guys, only 2 PM i got |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 20:41
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Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2007/2/10
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The thread was ONE thread amidst a wide variety of other threads discussing other topics. This is such utter hypocrisy; we can have a discussion surrounding ONLY Hikki's singing and that's fine, but her breasts are off limits unless we add something else to the conversation? Both are natural aspects of her beautiful person. Why can we discuss one but not the other? First of all, NO. I can tell when a guy has abs even if he's wearing a shirt. It's obvious. Second of all, you're right, a girl can't hide her breasts- NOR should she feel compelled to under any circumstances! A woman's breasts are natural. Clothing is unnatural. This is what I'm trying to get at. Western modesty is such BS; it's all about feeling ashamed of the physical human body and trying to avoid any sort of discussion about it whatsoever except when absolutely necessary. There is NO DIFFERENCE between a man's chest and a woman's chest except for socially conditioned perceptions resulting from a twisted development of the human consciousness. Also, you claim the responsibility is not on the woman, but I repeat that, in the end, no one else dresses her. If Utada didn't want to wear something, it's not like she would have to; it's ultimately her choice. Moreover, it's not like it can be MY FAULT for looking at her breasts. I'm not going to pretend a completely obvious part of the female body doesn't exist just to serve some weird concept of morality that someone else wants to impose upon me. Women have breasts. I notice them. That isn't my fault. Blame nature. See if it cares. People weren't only posing pictures. They were commenting on her breasts and how they found them to be nice/sexually appealing/whatever. I.E., discussion. So your "other note" fails. Quote:
Again, this isn't about the breasts for me. It's about the concept of a moderator locking a thread based on his own personal moralities without any rules to back his decision. THAT is wrong. Quote:
Such as? I like the "rare/favorite pictures of hikki" thread better, too, but that doesn't mean other people should be barred from sharing amongst each other things which interest them and which no one else has to involve themselves with. This is about fairness, not preference. :/ Shuri/Eli |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 20:38
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Hikki Obsessed
Joined: 2008/6/21
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Eh that thread was gonna go down sooner or later. So obvious i mean we're focusing on her BOOBS. There's so many wrong things there.
Personally i think the "Post rare/favorite pictures of hikki" thread is better. Once in a while there'll be new material. I LOVE new stuff. Lol But who doesn't though? |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 15:46
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I think this whole thing is just silly. Stop overreacting, it's just breasts.
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 11:56
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Addicted to Hikki
 
Joined: 2009/3/4
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I haven't seen it so I will look it up right now.
If it is the red outfit, I would hardly call that sexual. Just taking in design aspects, without having the hole there it wouldn't seem visually balanced, it would seem like a giant red rectangle. The hole in the center allows for the eye to not be overwhelmed by the very strong and vibrant red. At least that is what I would think if I was the designer, but again, this was probably selected by a stylist and not Utada. Also, this was hardly what I would call sexual, a little bit of cleavage like that shouldn't be enough to constitute her outfit being something with a part of it made to specifically entice the viewer. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 11:06
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Hikki Fanatic
Joined: 2005/4/24
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"Utada has never presented herself in an outwardly sexual way"
Then what's with the hole on her blouse in the Nintendo DS commercial? Is tat necessary? |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 10:59
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